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  • 1.  LINEMARKING

    Posted 15-08-2013 22:25
    Can anyone please help with this supposedly simple question. Should linemarking be capitilised or treated as planned maintenance. ------------------------------------------- Dave Miranda Planner Roads & Footpaths Broken Hill City Council BROKEN HILL NSW -------------------------------------------
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  • 2.  RE:LINEMARKING

    Posted 16-08-2013 20:24
    We regard line marking as a maintenance activity due to it reoccurring annually on a programmed basis, upgrades such as thermo plastic in high traffic area's and rail crossing etc may be considered capital as it reduces the occurrence beyond annually. ------------------------------------------- Glenn Deaker Manager Operations Central Goldfields Shire Council MARYBOROUGH VIC -------------------------------------------
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  • 3.  RE:LINEMARKING

    Posted 22-08-2013 02:37
    To Line-marking discussion, My contacts in Victoria tell me that line markers typically sign a five year contract to mark a road. That way they can gear up to paint the road several times over that period. The contract is written based on operational conditions and not on the actual products used. This way the paint quality can be varied to suit conditions Repainting occurs when the marking get dull. How would you treat such a contract from an asset management perspective. Is this a common practice. John Keays ------------------------------------------- John Keays Owner Keays Software Brisbane Queensland -------------------------------------------
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  • 4.  RE:LINEMARKING

    Posted 25-08-2013 16:04
    How you achieve the work should make no difference - it is the effect of the work.

    From an AM point of view the question is "Does this contract deliver the required levels of serve (line vivibility etc) at the lowest life-cycle cost to present and future customers?"

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    George JasonSmith
    AECOM NZ Ltd
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  • 5.  RE:LINEMARKING

    Posted 28-08-2013 00:22
    Good day As an asset manager I need to look at a few issues: the use of the product with the highest efficacy (ie fit-for-purpose & value-for-money) LOS future budgeting I have carried out road marking contracts in many forms over the past 28 years. In my experience, each one has their flaw, normally with the application of paint not being to spec, which is nigh impossible to check conclusively. Internationally, road marking is a cut throat business, with a high number of fly-by-night operators distorting the rates negatively. This led me to reassess the reasons for putting down lines ie deliniation (primarily during poor visibility), and legislation (safe overtaking, no parking, etc). The client I worked for at the time then put out a 5 year performance specification road marking contract with minimum retroreflectivity values requirements that had to be achieved initially, and intervention levels prior to remarking. The contractor used various paints to achieve the require retroreflectivity on the different road categories specifies. The amazing thing was that where we had struggled to achieve 18 months life out of the lines, for 30% additional cost, the same lines lasted 3-4 years without renewal!! This blew us away but unfortunately, the costs of the continuous retroreflectivity testing that made it unaffordable at that stage as it was doen by hand. However, technology is now at the stage where a number of contractors have high speed retrofectometers linked to GPS and can give you an annual report on the condition of the lines. Had this been available in 2006, I reckon, we would have only gone for performance based line marking. My conclusions that I have come to over the years: If you are going to paint the road, know WHY you are doing it. E.g. If its only for deliniation in a well lit urban area, annual painting is sufficient (use a reputable applicator who does not thin his paints) If poor visibility illumination is the reason, set minimum initial retroflectivity requirements, and have them independantly audited. Sounds expensive, but we found the lines last so much longer that it is more cost effective to do so, than just to believe the contractor. Technially, line marking is a renewal component of the road, even if it is done annually, and shoud thus be treated as such. In my opinion it should still not be capitaized due to the short life, even if it last 2-3 years. We need to be driving the road markers to improve their service so that we, as asset managers, can rest assured that we have covered the risk aspects, as well as the 'duty of care' aspects or our roles as public servants off. These are way to often overlooked. ------------------------------------------- Robert Damhuis Senior Transport Asset Management Consultant Osborne Park WAau -------------------------------------------
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  • 6.  RE:LINEMARKING

    Posted 25-08-2013 16:07
    Dave
    In your case (and that of most others) line marking would be classified as maintenance work and handled under the maintenance programs. You have enough other work on more significant assets that would need to be covered under your capital works programs.

    I have another problem that I am trying to solve where mainteance crews are doing what could be classed as capital works, under maintenance budget and wondering why their maintenance budget runs out before year's end.
    I will report through this forum when I solve this one!

    Regards

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    Darron Passlow
    Asset Management
    Pittwater Council
    MONA VALE NSW

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  • 7.  RE:LINEMARKING

    Posted 16-08-2013 20:24
    Hi Dave, Due to low dollar value of the individual pavement markings Wollongong doesnt count linemarking as an asset, but as part of the seal. Hence it is not capitalised. Linemarking costs to do with capital resurfacing are included in the cost of the reseal. Linemarking that is just maintenance, or new markings, are considered mtce/operational cost of the seal. ------------------------------------------- Tim cornford Asset Manager Transport Wollongong City Council SOUTH COAST MC NSW -------------------------------------------
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  • 8.  RE:LINEMARKING

    Posted 16-08-2013 20:24
    Dave, Our approach is as follows: where we reinstate linemarking post road reseal it is considered part of the 'new works' and capitilised. In other applications our policy dictates it is a miantenance expense. Regards, ------------------------------------------- Ashley Curtis Project Manager City of Playford DAVOREN PARK SA -------------------------------------------
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  • 9.  RE:LINEMARKING

    Posted 16-08-2013 20:25
    Dave, There are two things to consider, the vaue of your assets and depreciation of them. In terms of value, linemarkings althoght individually relatively cheap can have a relatively significant cumuative value, that I belive should be recognised. Therefore they should be valued. However, they are generally short-lived (6 months to 2-years for paint, depending on the traffic volumes so it makes sense to "expense" them, but this answer is also dependent on how the remarking is funded. If it is done from the operations and maintenance account that confirm expence - i.e. no depreciation. If they are remarked from renewals funding they that funding has to come rom depreciation. It is fairly clear under the standards that high-build markings and raised pavement markers, with their longer lives, should be both valued and depreciated (and thus replaced from the renewals account) ------------------------------------------- George JasonSmith AECOM New Zealand Ltd Christchurch -------------------------------------------
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  • 10.  RE:LINEMARKING

    Posted 25-08-2013 16:18
    Dave,

    It matters little how the maint is delivered. From an asset valuation point of view the thing that affects the depreciation of the asset is its life. 

    From an AM point of view you should be looking for a method that delivers the requires levels of service at the lowest lifecycle cost to present and future customers. If a five year contract is doing this - great. However, I would be cautious about very-long period contracts for this or any other work as they can lead to a non-competitive environment at contract renewal time.

    Make sure you are getting the asset info you require, particularly new markings and marking frequencies you will need these for the replacement contract
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    AECOM New Zealand Ltd
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  • 11.  RE:LINEMARKING

    Posted 22-09-2013 07:45
    Linemarking which lasts for more than 1 year can be capitalised - such as long life markings, cycle lane and bus lane marking. Other linemarking - such as paint markings - is generally remarked each year and is classified as maintenance. ------------------------------------------- Peter Scott Auckland Transport -------------------------------------------
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