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Sea levels are rising 60% faster than UN expected

  • 1.  Sea levels are rising 60% faster than UN expected

    Posted 27 November 2012 23:11
    SEA levels are rising 60 per cent faster than the UN's climate panel forecast in its most recent assessment, scientists report.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/seas-rising-faster-than-un-expected/story-e6frfkui-1226525703450#ixzz2DTzwLOeI



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    Chris Champion
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    Sydney NSW

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  • 2.  RE:Sea levels are rising 60% faster than UN expected

    Posted 29 November 2012 02:12
    With due respect, Chris, the claim is a "crock of s..t"

    The facts do not show this. Any engineer knows that you can't take a trend that is 20mm long and extrapolate to a metre. This as what these ratbags are doing.

    We as engineers must research all of the facts before we form an opinion. When we do so we must be  very certain of our facts before we advise or influence others. It is FACT that opinions are divided on climate change. Many opposing the politically correct view are renowned scientists. It is also FACT that actual tidal records do not correlate with the scaremongering that is going around.

    Whilst it is good to consider all eventualities. It is not, in my opinion, good for Local Authorities to enact policies that will have serious lifestyle and economic impact on its ratepayers.


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  • 3.  RE:Sea levels are rising 60% faster than UN expected

    Posted 30 November 2012 02:23

    Bill,

     

    If you read the article carefully with respect to Mr Foster's claim, he has extrapolated the UN data (not the UN) - this is his opinion. Chris is the messenger passing on this information. No need to shoot him. I am glad he presented it and hope he keeps on providing us with information.

     

    The key fact here is that the sea level has risen (by 3.2mm). The other interesting piece of the article (to me and should be to you) is that the UN model used in 2007 was 50% out on its forecasts. This opens up a debate that you should like on the validity of the model. At least they are publishing the results. I assume the model is being revised on a regular basis (as more and more information/KPIs are available).

     

    I am looking forward to the "IPCC's fifth assessment report will be published in three volumes, in September 2013, March 2014 and April 2014".

     

    My key reason in responding to this discussion is that local government does need to consider this issue (like it would any other) and cannot be driven by biassed opinions (on either side) - facts and not fiction need to be the driver.

     

    Regards



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    Darron Passlow
    Asset Management
    Pittwater Council
    MONA VALE NSW

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  • 4.  RE:Sea levels are rising 60% faster than UN expected

    Posted 10 December 2012 17:20
    G'day All

    I offer the following for consideration by those Local Authority engineers who have not made up and then closed their minds to the "climate change" debate.

    A majority of UN members has a vested interest in claiming that global warming is caused by developed nations. The recent decision at Doha where developed nations are to compensate developing nations for global warming is testament to this. Australia's contribution is predicted to be $3,000,000,000.00 annually.

    The current Federal Government has a vested interest in pursuing the "global warming caused by man" furpy. It has enabled it to introduce a tax that will reap billions of dollars of revenue annually, with the vocal support of "global warming" alarmists.

    The claim of 3.2mm "recent" rise in the sea level by a "trio of specialists" (read 3, fellow engineers) is hardly a world wide consensus of experts in the field. In any event, even if true, this "recent" rise is not what should be used to extraploate to a situation 90 years hence. Extrapolation from long term recorded tide levels is a more accurate means of guessing what the future may bring. Such extrapolation, when correlated with carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere, will iron out any bumps that may be occuring at present from natural causes.

    The computer prediction is admitted to be 60% in error. I would not like to be designing a bulding using that programme.

    Nothing can be done for those who have closed minds. I appeal to those local authority engineers who are prepared to take the effort to research the topic to do so. You may end up forming the same opinion as I have that it is all a "crock of s..t"

    Cheers


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  • 5.  RE:Sea levels are rising 60% faster than UN expected

    Posted 10 May 2013 18:58
    All

    Let us contribute now to "Resilience" planning when it comes to our assets (see relevant comments under another heading in this discussion).

    A new topic here (or more importantly under Asset Mates discussions) might be a good idea.

    The topic might be "How Resilient is LG Assets".

    Chris, wht do you think?

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    Darron Passlow
    Asset Management
    Pittwater Council
    MONA VALE NSW

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  • 6.  RE:Sea levels are rising 60% faster than UN expected

    Posted 30 November 2012 02:24
    Bill,

    What these "ratbags" are doing is taking some of the best and most widely recognised climate change modelling and comparing recent observations with the model predictions.  Yes the press have used a headline that will might catch your eye, but if you read the article I find it hard to see how this is scaremongering even from a sceptic perspective although your response does comes across as anti climate change scaremongering.

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  • 7.  RE:Sea levels are rising 60% faster than UN expected

    Posted 05 December 2012 01:25

    Just like the ozone layer threat was to promote CFC replacements, and the millenium bug was to provide free advertising for the computer industry, this "phenomonen" is doing wonders to promote the career prospects of researchers/scientists/environmentalists, and - as a bonus - it is loved by the Politicians and the Advertising Industry.

    Be patient, reality will prevail eventually, and some new thing will come along to occupy our collective thoughts.  I believe that collectively we desperately need something credible as a substitute for our fading morality. 

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    Rodney Wallace
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    Rodney Wallace Consulting
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  • 8.  RE:Sea levels are rising 60% faster than UN expected

    Posted 22 September 2013 23:40
    I continue to urge Local Government engineers to keep abreast of the debate on the influence of carbon dioxide on global warming. The important issaue to bear in mind is whether the carbon dioxide that is produced by mankind is warming the planet to any significant extent, or not.

    The computer programme used to predict future warming is in error - no one doubts that anymore! The 16 year lull in global warming - by any methods at all - is fact.

    Please refrain from making hasty and uninformed decisions that will adversely affect ratepayers, and continue to keep an open mind about the effects of carbon dioxide on the planet.

    Regards

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    William Peach
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    QLD

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  • 9.  RE:Sea levels are rising 60% faster than UN expected

    Posted 24 September 2013 18:53
    Bill
    Read the science and please try to understand it.
    Then please do not make up stories to support your argument.
    By the way, open your eyes and look at what is occurring around you.

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    Darron Passlow
    Asset Management
    Pittwater Council
    MONA VALE NSW

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